Today we talk with Richard Flamm from Do Good Multnomah and Greater Good NW.
Richard talks about the work they’re doing in the Portland area with vets and the houseless community.

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SPEAKERS

Intro, Richard, Adrian

Intro 

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Adrian 

Alright, hello future millionaires. This is Adrian SHERMER with get rich slow podcast I’m joined by my regular co host, Robert delavan. And today we have a special guest Richard flam. Thanks for joining us today, Richard.

Richard 

Hey, thank you. Thanks for having me. Good. Do good.

Adrian 

Oh, sorry. Do good Multnomah. Tell us a little bit about what you guys do. Rich.

Richard 

Yeah. Thank you. So I work with do good Multnomah. We’re a nonprofit that does houseless services in the Greater Portland area. I’m also here representing greater good, which is the sister nonprofit of do good. And we’re primarily doing outreach type work sheltering work, case management type services in Clackamas County right now on really tackling issues of house lessness, sort of the fallout of COVID and the ongoing effects, that that’s affecting our community. So yeah.

Adrian 

Wow. And what is what is your brief history of where you came into this position and this role with these two, with these two entities?

Richard 

Yeah, I know for sure. So for me, I started a nonprofit work about a decade ago, I worked for a different nonprofit, and I just had a hell of a time, I was paid $1 less than everyone else who was not a person of color. I had a really difficult time making any sort of difference. You know, having homeless people essentially have to pee in a cup to see if they could stay the night blow into a breathalyzer very punitive. You know, like I said, I think it made $10 an hour back then. All of that to say I went on a journey, I was able to get connected with a friend, Chris aosa, who actually ended up founding do good Multnomah, and do good and Multnomah, took those issues, took those concerns, started paying staff a livable wage started treating homeless people like human beings, and exploded, blew up, blew up into a multimillion dollar nonprofit. And so out of that, the wheelhouse of do good was always veterans. And so we’ve kind of outgrown that. And it was sort of, you know, impressed on us that, you know, with our board wanting to stay, you know, focused on veterans with the do good, do we may need another arm, we may need another nonprofit to come in and say, Hey, who’s going to address the broad stroke of how stiffness of everything else. And so greater good was founded with a few of the directors members of do good. So that’s kind of the journey for our greater good came into being. And we’ve been around about a year a greater good has been around about a year, and then do good. Again, our larger sister nonprofit has been around about five years. So

Adrian 

and what would you say? Is your your main function as far as like, the primary outreach and the focus or the goals?

Richard 

Yeah, certainly. So within greater good, I’m the director of programming and so getting together organizing our team to do effective outreach, really have sustainable change in the houseless community, we can talk a little bit more about what that looks like. But, you know, addressing the effects of COVID on the community, the the increase in house lessness, that has happened, and it was certainly an issue before COVID. So tackling those issues in a way that is, you know, equitable, is, you know, focused on on reaching a diverse population and the community. And then also, like I said, sort of creating lasting change, second chances for folks and paying a livable wage to our staff and empowering our team along the way. So yeah,

Adrian 

and you mentioned you’re obviously growing the homeless population is obviously an incredible obstacle. And and just a tough thing that so many people have tried to tackle in especially Portland but across the country. What’s what are some of the things that that you’re doing and and what can you share with our audience, which is the this concept of, yes, we’re trying to help people build personal wealth, slowly doing it the right way without selling their soul? Well, a big portion of that is, you know, as you grow in your personal financial statement, you should be growing in Your generosity to others, right? And, you know, just we’re all human beings. And we all we’ve all been there. So the question becomes is, like, how can we engage? And what’s that look like? And what are those solutions? And I know, it’s a lot of kind of a lot of questions there. And, you know, but man, if you tell us how rich and and let’s just fix it, you know, is is that we? Yeah, what the people that aren’t in the middle of it everyday want to say, right?

Richard 

Yeah, let’s do it. So I would say, you know, there’s there’s a few ways that I would say you can get involved directly. And then a few ways that I think that makes sense to get involved with nonprofits such as ourselves. So I’ll say first and foremost, and I say this to folks, when they ask, What can I do? I’m all about mobilizing the fleet about getting, you know, bigger than just the core team that I have. But mobilizing people beyond that core team. And what that can look like is, you know, we’re all coming across people who are houseless, who maybe they’re just outside, you’re Fred Myers, they’re, you know, they’re on the freeway on ramp, and you’re driving past, right, right. What do you do, they’re asking for cash, you don’t feel comfortable, you don’t feel comfortable giving cash necessarily, okay? So a little bit of forethought here, create a hygiene kit, you know, get a Ziploc bag, put a toothbrush in there, put some socks in there, maybe dental floss, maybe you’ve got another pack that has feminine hygiene supplies, underwear, whatever it is. And that way, you’ve kind of been mobilized to say, like, Hey, I know that I’m going to come across people in need, I know that there are some very common items that in a humane way that everybody’s going to need access to, I have that, to give out instead of whatever, you know, dollars and changes in my pocket, I can say, Hey, here’s something you know, I hope that, you know, your day improves, I see you I validate your existence here something I keep some sleeping bags, tents, blankets in my car, that’s something you can have one or two, you know, compact ones, maybe in the backseat, under your under the passenger side, whatever it is, that’s the way that you can you can kind of be mobilized to provide aid wherever you go. water bottles is another great thing. Simple, compact things to keep with you. Now, when it comes to getting involved with nonprofits, there’s unlimited options to choose from. One reason I would say, to look at, you know, partnering with someone like greater good, is really look at the structure of how staff and where the funding goes. So for example, myself, like if I want to give to a nonprofit, and I’m not going to name anybody, but the first thing that I’m going to do is I have all these assumptions based on capitalism and our culture, that if I give to a nonprofit, I’m probably just buying the CEO and their directors like a boat, I’m probably just like making sure that they’re able to get a second house because I assume they’re, they’re making six figures. I assume that, you know, the 4050 bucks that I give, it’s gonna hurt me. And it’s really just going to make sure that they get that third vacation and for the year, and so I have hesitancy giving to nonprofits. We’ve all heard

Adrian 

we’ve all heard that story. Right? The Salvation Army, you know, CEO was

Adrian 

on the dollar for, you

Adrian 

know, organizations. Yeah, $1.5 million, you know, and I’m not necessarily picking on Salvation Army. But you know, there was headlines in the past of the CEOs making a, you know, obviously getting very wealthy, right. So that’s a piece but you know, so you’re speaking to that.

Richard 

I am Yeah, and I’ve heard those stories too, and not trying to single anyone out. But what I would single out is greater good is the way that we structured things. So we pay everybody a livable wage. Again, I operate at the director level, I make $50,000 a year, the CEO makes $50,000 a year and our frontline new hire, as in hired him yesterday, staff that are doing direct service with the houses population, make $50,000 a year. So it’s extremely important to us, it’s totally transparent. These are things that you can look up. If you give money if you financially partner and say, hey, I’ve got to have a donation I want to give to a registered, you know, 501 c three, but I don’t want to go into pads, some, you know, CEOs, you know, pocket, look at the look at the structure doesn’t have to be us. But again, you know, if you want to know what it is, you’re actually giving to find a way to give as directly to solving the problem as possible. Okay.

Adrian 

If we can reach I’d like to unpack that because that’s, I feel like I have a misunderstanding about that. And I’ve talked to people in my community who, you know, we, we might even get cruel at times about the way that we talk about you know, what we see out there 10 cities and crime My wife has a business there’s, there’s one of these and I’m gonna use air quotes here. 10 cities kind of like a probably, you know, almost cruel way to describe what’s going on but you know, it is it’s something that I worry about, I worry about, they have to lock the door at night, you know, and I don’t know. You know, it seems like we’ve got this really polarized view where you know, people are afraid Have these situations? And I don’t know if maybe they should be maybe they shouldn’t be? How do we work towards that solution?

Richard 

Yeah, and I think it’s complex. I think that the face of house lessness is complex. It’s not a single, single demographic, it’s not a single issue. is mental health part of it? Sure. Are there folks that are struggling with addiction? Sure. Are there families that have been displaced by COVID? Because, you know, people who were working as a server in a restaurant or in retail couldn’t get work. There’s whole families now that are sleeping in their cars. Sure. So it’s not just, I think one one group of folks like Watch out for these Watch out for those. It is a it is a broad stroke. Our mind people, you know, when they ask that question, I think it’s, I think it’s a very humane and humble question. But homelessness is not an identity. It’s an experience. So that’s why we say folks are going to house as you’re going through this experience of being homeless, I could go through an experience of being homeless. I have I have had that experience, right? Not almost now. You know, Adrian, Rob, you guys could end up homeless, but you’re not a homeless person. You’re a person who’s you know, going through this experience. And ideally, hopefully, you’re going to get to the other side of that, and you’re going to, you know, no longer be homeless. And so I encourage people to not look at it like an identity, but say, like, Hey, this is human being just like me, all of us are, for the most part, unless you’re very, very wealthy. I know, we’re on the trajectory if you’re listening to this podcast, but you know, all of us are within a paycheck or two of ending up in that same position. So yeah,

Adrian 

it’s it’s a unique, unique approach to it in the sense that I, what I’m hearing you say rich, is that there’s a mindset that needs to shift right? Now, there is, of course, the personal safety pieces, and all that sort of thing, obviously, you know, you don’t need to be walking around and and making a target of yourself. Especially if you’re in a vulnerable situation yourself, so to speak. But there has to be a better way. And I know there’s a lot bigger minds than mine. I’m sure in your world that you’re working in that says, Where do we take this? Like, I mean, the fact that we have to have nonprofits, and should have nonprofits to be generous, and help others who aren’t as fortunate as you is? I think, frankly, a healthy human brain. Like that’s, that’s actually part of being a healthy, productive person and contributing member of society want to help. But you know, where do you see this going? Is? Is there a solution? Like what steps can be taken? You know, from your standpoint, that I just you have a perspective that I would never have? Because you’re dealing with it day to day?

Richard 

Yeah, sure. And again, different solutions are gonna fit people in different situations. So when we talk about what’s next, what how do we solve this? There are really different approaches here. So I’ll talk for a minute just about what that looks like. So, of course, there’s emergency shelter, right? There’s the we’re going to clear out a church, we’re going to have a whole building with a bunch of you know, mats or beds, there’s going to be congregate meals that comes together. And that is kind of like an immediate impact, like, Hey, we’re just going to get a bunch of people inside. So emergency shelter is absolutely part of it. emergency shelter also can have the weakness of not really having a long term plan behind besides like, here’s just a bed, we’re going to have this impact, you’re going to see people come off of the street, did that really change the number of homeless people in the community? I don’t know. I think it gave him a place to stay. I don’t think it took away the number of homeless people.

Adrian 

It’s it’s a symptom, right? I mean, you’re addressing a symptom. It’s, it’s a band aid.

Richard 

It is. And it’s an important one, because it gets cold outside and people die. And so we need to have, you know, places for people to go beyond that transitional housing, getting people into something where they get to get on their feet, in greater good. We have a rapid rehousing program where we actually, you know, you go through our intake process, you get hooked up with the case manager, and we pay for your rent for a certain number of months, while you sort of get on your feet to do that sustainably. So there’s that sort of transitional housing model. And of course, there’s, you know, permanent supportive housing for folks who, you know, they’re not really ever going to get to a spot where they are going to be able to stand on their own two feet. Maybe that’s just financially at least. And maybe that’s because of, you know, a mental health issue. Maybe that’s because of a disability. XYZ. So we’ve got that permanent supportive housing piece of it as well. So there’s different ways to solve the problem. They’re all they’re all necessary. I mean, if we were to say like, Hey, we’re just going to make these massive shelters and it’s emergency shelters, the is the is the answer. And then what do you do with the, you know, the vet who comes in, who has PTSD, who doesn’t feel comfortable sleeping next to, you know, 12 other dudes. So, so that’s going to be maybe a congregate shelters and the best fit for somebody like that. So it has to be Temperature the individual,

Adrian 

is there an element of like getting people on their feet? There must be some sort of like job work placement training, that that sort of thing is, is that something that you guys focus on? Or is that one of the solutions also

Richard 

100%. And, you know, I’m glad you asked that. So case management, and providing that sort of longer term retention services and saying, Hey, we’re gonna pay for your rent, or we’re gonna get you in the shelter, we’re gonna, we’re gonna get you in the door, but providing, you know, resources for helping people navigate, you know, like, let’s get you applied to these jobs, let’s find out, you know, a place that, you know, yes, you got into this house, but maybe we find a place that you know, is $400 less that you can sustainably pay for in the future. So, you know, when we talk about case management, when I do trainings with our staff, case, management just means identifying people’s barriers, and then helping them solve those problems and overcome them that that is all it is. And so, you know, if everyone had a champion, if everyone had had an advocate who was houseless, he would say, like, Hey, I see that you have this misdemeanor from 1988, for you know, smoking, you know, the weed, you know, how can we, you know, how that shouldn’t keep you out of housing? And yeah, how you know, it is and so, problem solving with people, and walking with them to overcome their barriers is a huge part, maybe even one of the biggest parts of what we do. Yeah,

Adrian 

I have a well, it’s that whole, you know, at that point, to me, it sounds like you’re saying, I’m teaching them to fish rather than giving them fish. Right.

Richard 

Yeah, empowerment. Absolutely. Exactly.

Adrian 

I love that. I have a friend of mine. He’s actually a fellow DNI, gentlemen, Troy, roll Meyer, he owns Vanguard employment services. And I know he’s had a hard time finding people that are willing to work in the trades, literally, like able bodied people that are willing to learn. But it’s, it’s, you know, some of those jobs are very physically taxing. But still, he has a hard time finding that. So he basically created a education, general contracting firm to do that, so that he could have enough people to hire, because he owned an employment service agency. And he’s working on that. I think that’s a big connection that we need to make. And he will be on our podcast at some point in the near future. Also, you know, I’d love to get you connected with him. Because he’s passionate about that,

Richard 

though, yeah, those are exactly the kind of community partnerships and contexts that we want to have. Those are exactly the kinds of things we want to know, you know, hey, how can we take an individual who has very, very low income and say, hey, let’s get you in the trades? Are you willing to work? Are you able to work? Great, let’s get you into a situation where you’re making middle class income. And so something like what you’re talking about is exactly the kind of context that we want to make?

Adrian 

Well, and the crazy thing is, is $10 an hour is is? I mean, I don’t know, and unskilled labor, you know, 20 plus an hour, and as soon as they start building skills, there’s there’s incredible upside on that. So and, and we don’t have enough people, our school systems, our educational systems aren’t sending people that direction. And so I mean, it becomes of, you know, what are we perpetuating there and, and what is sustainable or not? How, how can we serve you at the next level? Like, obviously, there’s, you know, donations, there’s the just serving the homeless in the health kits and, and shelter things and that sort of thing. How do you get involved if you want to do more, you know, and, and, and go to go to that next level?

Richard 

Yeah, certainly. So I mean, non COVID times, volunteering is definitely something that folks can step into and and you know, we were doing more congregate shelters, pay for them cooking meal, if you want to come play a game of chess with somebody who’s having this experience of a conversation, that can really help bridge the gap for people and make people feel seen and heard, which is a huge part of that Gulf that exists between people who are having this experience of powerlessness, and maybe everybody else. Um, so I say, that’s definitely one way that’s more challenging with COVID. Now, because we try to keep everything pretty skeleton crew just out of, you know, safety, you know, and guidelines. You know, whether that lifts in the next six months, a year, I don’t know, I certainly hope so. Um, but I would say a next step is absolutely looking at getting involved in volunteering and and just getting around people who are having this experience when it comes to you know, getting involved in making an immediate impact. I had mentioned before that case management is huge part of it. So, you know, if you are looking for somewhere to donate, you know that something like greater good is is able to take people and train them to be professionals and to actually offer that service to the community. So

Adrian 

are you running into It’s not like a social work degree necessarily, but like, the skills necessary to help someone bridge that gap, obviously, as part of sorry, agents Say that again, buddy,

Richard 

you cut off.

Adrian 

No worries, it’s so it sounds like you’re you’re not getting someone a degree in social work necessarily, but you’re giving them the skills necessary to help build someone out of this situation.

Richard 

Yeah, absolutely. So we absolutely have folks who, you know, have degrees and social work and all sorts of fields. We also, you know, draw from a wealth of experience and having done this for years and years. So internally, we’re running trainings, we’re linking up with works or working with a professional dei organization right now to, you know, advance diversity and inclusion, and including our staff in those trainings in those conversations, linking up with community partners, who also do trainings such as rent Well, you know, it’s all part of really a hub of resources that we create, with our staff. So awesome.

Adrian 

How are you guys doing? Are you worker like your co workers? Are you guys getting vaccinated? How are you tackling the COVID curve? And then is is an element of the homeless population? Is there a drive towards vaccinations and that side of things?

Richard 

what’s what’s that look like? Yeah, and that that question is, unfortunately, more political than I would like for it to be. And I’m a little bit out of my, my wheelhouse. If I answer it, I’ll say that For our part, as outreach workers, we were put first in line for the vaccine, I myself, am vaccinated, most of my crew is also been vaccinated. We’re working with populations that are highly vulnerable, you know, 6065 plus and meet immunocompromised oftentimes, and so we were we were asked to get, you know, immunized as soon as possible. Absolutely. As, as you should. Is there is there a element of answering the question that can contribute that can transcend the political piece? I mean, obviously, I think, at a certain point, getting vaccinated and addressing that seems to me a human piece, not

Adrian 

a not a, you know, left or right. political discourse, it’s a no 100 100%.

Richard 

And I would say, one of the biggest elements, you know, around it transcending just the, you know, who should get it, and when should they get it? It’s just the way that we get it. So okay. You know, I’ve got access to, you know, computers, a smartphone, I’ve been using computers since I was, you know, eight years old. Sure. So the the average, you know, houseless person, I should say, there’s no average house, this person, but I’ll say this, many people who are houseless, do not have access to, you know, a computer or necessarily a smartphone. So when we talk about the vaccine, we talk about having access to it, it’s already difficult to navigate, it’s already challenging to click through, hey, this time is available that time, did I sign up on signup genius to go through this provider? I mess it up a few times, right? And so when you take somebody who, you know, may have like a cognitive disability, or maybe they’re just sleeping in their car and don’t have a phone charger, right, and we’re saying, hey, you need to sign up to be vaccinated. These these folks are playing on very hard mode when it comes to getting access. And so that, that that’s an issue.

Adrian 

I see. And so is, is that something that like when you’re out volunteering, or your your staff or your team is is volunteering? is I mean, is that something simple? Like, could that be a drive towards? Hey, let me get you signed up. You know, can you show up? Can you can you mentor an advocate for that person in that way?

Richard 

Yeah, so as far as access to the vaccine being blown wide open, I think that’s something that even in the past week or two is actively happening, you know, that, that, that that conversation about how to get people involved, who is eligible, and all of that, I will say that we are using, you know, laptops remotely in the field to get people signed up for medical services all the time, we’re using it to get people signed up and housing jobs. So helping folks navigate that is 1,000%, part of what we’re doing.

Adrian 

Okay, we only have a few more minutes. But I wanted to ask you about just the this concept of giving back this concept of if you’re going to be a healthy, well rounded person and achieve financially and that sort of thing. I mean, can you I think you offer a unique perspective, where just the how close maybe most of us are to being house lessness or house less, I should say. But just just that piece of what does it do? What kind of transformation does it do for you? If you’re not in that situation? And then you help people that are in that situation? I mean, I know you have exposure to that.

Richard 

Yeah. So my answer to that is, I think, twofold. I mean, for one, there’s the human being element. These are folks that have, you know, hopes, dreams, aspirations, just same as you and us, they’re just having this experience where they’re pushed to the margins. And so, you know, I impress upon people to, to be empathetic, and see, like, Hey, this is somebody who’s going through something just like I could go through something. And at the end of the day, what really matters is, is how we treat the people who are most vulnerable, that that really determines our character that determines that determines our character. pragmatically, if you need a more logical reason to do it, I myself have had my car broken into, I’ve had folks go through my trash can go in for cans at two in the morning and waking, me and my kids up, I don’t like that it didn’t feel good. So we want to solve the problem. You know, funding, you know, shelter, case management, a social safety net, it makes sense. If we talk about excluding people, because they have a criminal background, maybe even because they’re sex offenders, maybe because their violent crime, I get it, that stuff sucks. We want to see those people, you know, have consequences for the things that were done. Now, do you want a sex offender and a violent crime offender wandering down your neighborhood at two in the morning, right? So if we don’t want to social safety net, if you don’t have any sort of housing for folks, you’re essentially having people wander the streets who have these issues? And oftentimes, maybe scram persistent mental health. So again, the pragmatic, pragmatic answer is solving the problem makes society safer for all of us. So if you can’t access that empathetic part, I’m gonna say access the logical pragmatic part. And yeah, you got both sides covered, huh? Yeah.

Adrian 

Yeah. If you want to be totally selfish about this, think about the danger to society, potentially. And I don’t want to frame homelessness as a danger. But you’re right. I mean, a portion, at least of the population is a group of people that we push to the outskirts of society. And I think it’s, I think it’s important to highlight that. So that’s a really good takeaway.

Richard 

I personally get frustrated. Yeah, thank you. People get frustrated when they see people, you know, slumped against, you know, their, their, their sidewalk in a tarp? You know, yeah, right. It’s not to pathologize it’s not to say everybody is, you know, dangerous or whatever. But again, pragmatically, if you don’t want to see people slumped against your sidewalk on a tarp, let’s find them somewhere to go.

Adrian 

Right? Absolutely.

Adrian 

Yeah, I love that. I think it, there’s, there is obviously a lot of work to be done here. Right. And it’s going to be never ending to a degree. But if you can change things, just incrementally, and frankly, engage, you know, hopefully our audience, that sort of thing. You know, that would be fabulous. Rich, where do we find you? How do we connect with you? website? Instagram?

Richard 

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. So anyway, if you know more, if you would like to know more, reach out, you can find us on our website at Greater Good northwest.org that’s greater good. northwest.org. You know, we take referrals, there’s a there’s a place where you can, you know, actually send people who are experiencing houses, they can apply right on the website to get into services. We’ve got email contact information there if you are interested in donating. Um, but I would point people to our website as being the primary place to go greater good Northwest. org. Again, my name is Richard flam.

Adrian 

And not to shamelessly plug that anymore, but it is a 501 c three, and it is your gifts are tax deductible.

Richard 

That’s true.

That’s right. For the the super self. Anyway,

Richard 

that’s a big deal. Why

Adrian 

are we learning about this on get rich, slow? And the answer is, as you get rich, sharing the wealth is one of the opportunities that you get access to I I for one, I think I’m in the majority, everybody’s had some point when they were living paycheck to paycheck, many people still are and part of the climb out of that should be giving back. So you know, if you’ve got a lot from these recordings, if you feel like you’ve grown financially from them, the best way that you can give back, don’t don’t send us a check, send it to do good. Help, help change the life for someone else. And get them started on their own path.

Richard 

Love it. If you do if you do have to, you know, give if that’s part of your financial plan, and you have to give to a 501 c three and remind folks that you know greater good has an equitable equitable pay structure. So instead of patting some CEO at the top making six figures remind everybody that you know our wages are a living wage equitable CEO makes 50 grand directors make 50 grand and our frontline staff make 50 grand and all of the donations are going towards the services that we’ve discussed in this podcast. So should feel your

Adrian 

frontline staff, a new employee a couple months in makes the same as the top tier director

Richard 

as the CEO and it was structured, more transparent than that. That’s right.

Adrian 

Well, thank you for your time, guys, money. Thank you hate to cut us off, but we’re about to get cut off. So thanks a lot, guys. Thank you so much, Richard. Thanks for having me. You’re partnering with you.

Richard 

Thank you. See you next time.

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