Guest Barry Mack 1 of 3

Adrian Schermer  00:02

Hello future millionaires and welcome back to the get rich slow podcast. We are your hosts, Adrian Schermer, Rob Delavan. Mr. Brilliant at the basics Lance Johnson. Good morning, gentlemen.

Barry Mack  00:12

Good morning guys.

Robert Delavan  00:14

Good morning.

Lance Johnson  00:14

Good morning.

Robert Delavan  00:21

There was an extra voice so yeah, go from there. Although actually first tell us where everybody can hear us.

Adrian Schermer  00:29

Yes, you can find us among many other platforms on Apple podcast, Spotify, audible Amazon music, YouTube and Stitcher. Stitcher is a new one to me, but I'm excited to be on every platform we can to get the message out there. Today we're going to talk to Barry Mack, who is gosh, I was gonna say who is the CEO of Barry Mack Art. Yeah, president, your treasurer, you're all the things and Barry is obviously he's an artist, hence the name Barry Mack Art. Barry is a local Portland artist with over 50 years of experience and has a career spanning the globe.

Lance Johnson  01:10

Only 50 years? How many people can say 50 years about anything?

Robert Delavan  01:19

Actually, there was a birthday boy I know, it's like a week or two weeks late, but somebody here can say they're in their 50s. So, it's all good. Oh, by the way, he's not just global. I would say he's universal.

Adrian Schermer  01:41

[Cross talk]

Robert Delavan  01:47

The digital world, anyway.

Adrian Schermer  01:48

That's some radio waves.

Robert Delavan  01:50

Oh, man. So, recap us and there's a visual here for those of us are watching the video.

Adrian Schermer  01:56

Yeah, this is spectacular. I think if ever there was an episode where I'm gonna say, click the link description, find your way over to our YouTube page. We've had some funny images, but this is spectacular.

Barry Mack  02:14

Were you on that movie or what?

Adrian Schermer  02:16

This is audition pictures.

Robert Delavan  02:17

What year was this, Barry? Let's date you.

Barry Mack  02:20

Yeah, that's a good question. I believe that's around 71, 72.

Adrian Schermer  02:26

What year is the bike?

Barry Mack  02:28

Yeah, that's a good question.

Adrian Schermer  02:31

What is that? Is that a Harley?

Barry Mack  02:32

Yeah, that's a Harley. Yeah, my dad and I were into bikes and we just did a lot of tripping together. So, that's actually his bike. I had a chopper. I was sitting on his bike and we were getting ready to go on a road trip together.

Lance Johnson  02:50

Yes, with the leather dress shoes. I love it.

Robert Delavan  02:53

I mean, and then I would be remiss if I let this opportunity go by those of us that are follically challenged. Yours truly included. That's a hell of a head of hair there Barry.

Barry Mack  03:03

Yeah.

Robert Delavan  03:05

That was back in the poisoned days.

Lance Johnson  03:11

Even pre poison, right? Yeah, I mean, oh, man.

Adrian Schermer  03:16

A big head of hair too back then, right?

Barry Mack  03:19

It just wasn't curly like that.

Adrian Schermer  03:21

Rob is there's some picture of you, you know, in man bun or like, pastor shoulders?

Barry Mack  03:27

Is that art, Garfunkel?

Robert Delavan  03:31

There you go. Yeah, so sorry about that.

Barry Mack  03:35

Remind me and I'll tell you a crazy story about this.

Lance Johnson  03:38

We will try to get that on air if we can. So, Adrian, what were we this is episode one a three and today we're gonna get to know Barry and learn about what made him into the person that he is today. Okay, so question one for Barry. What is a significant story that made an impact on your life?

Barry Mack  04:05

Yeah, you know, all these are great questions. I'm sure like, you guys have thought of a lot of different stories. It's kind of like asking what's your best food or music? A lot of stories came to mind. But what I'd like to share is that story of an artist named James Terrell, and he started a project in 1977 called the Roden crater, Rodencrater.com. You want to check it out. It's an amazing thing. He started this art project is still going in fact, so we're talking of whatever that is, you know, 40 plus years of an art project. He flew over Arizona. Well, he flew over the whole state, he was looking for a crater, okay, he bought a crater and he moved through 13 million tons of Earth to car about a place inside the crater, and he put rooms in there where you can see various star events. It's just a crazy project. Check it out if you want. It's really interesting and that story about that project and I heard him talk when it came to town and it's a great example of perseverance. I mean, you can imagine the kind of challenges this guy went through. He had to actually start raising horses to finance it.

Lance Johnson  05:29

Okay, I was gonna ask you, how did he pay? How do you pay for something?

Barry Mack  05:34

Yeah, raised horses. So, yeah, it's just, it's an inspiring story to have a great vision and hang in there, no matter what it takes.

Robert Delavan  05:44

Interesting.

Lance Johnson  05:45

What a personality get rich, slow pro tip. If you're running low on funds for your project, sell some horses.

Robert Delavan  05:53

I've heard a lot of people lost a lot of money on horses. But maybe, I'm missing the point of how [Cross talk] in the horses?

Adrian Schermer  06:02

Barry, what life lessons have you learned to make you into the person that you are today?

Barry Mack  06:12

Yeah, another great question. Probably be the 0 and 1 and then we can go from there. But this is probably the primary lesson I discovered that we can train ourselves, we can train, how we think and how we feel, to respond to life in a positive way, through repetition, through affirmations, through you know, whatever your strategy is, this has been a really important lesson for me that we don't have to always respond to something in a predictable way. We can actually train ourselves to respond to things in a positive way.

Robert Delavan  06:53

So, when it helped you?

Barry Mack  06:56

Oh, it's helped me a lot of times. I'll give you an example. You know, when you first put yourself out there, publicly, you get positive and negative feedback. You guys know about that. You know, at first, and I'm talking whatever, you know, I went professional and 2000, around 2000, when you start getting negative feedback, the tendency is to take it personal. Have you noticed that? Yeah, after a while, I realized I didn't have to take it personal and not only that, but the negative feedback can actually be valuable. It can inform how you do things, how you think about things, you know, it actually can be very helpful.

Robert Delavan  07:46

So, there's a concept here that I'm hearing is I oftentimes ask for, you know, the negative feedback and the reason for that is because I don't need any more cheerleaders in my life telling me, oh, you're so nice. You're kind this right, whatever. You know, tell me that I'm a jackass and tell me why because I have blind spots. So, is that what you're talking about?

Barry Mack  08:14

That's exactly what I'm talking about. You know, to be honest, Rob, I think that's taking it to another level. I never thought I never asked...

Lance Johnson  08:21

I'm still on the fact that Rob use jackass. I didn't hear anything else after that.

Robert Delavan  08:32

It's good thing I was sitting down. Maybe we just bumped to PG 13. Sorry, listeners.

Adrian Schermer  08:39

We are saving that audio clip for later.

Robert Delavan  08:41

But seriously, like, you know, and of course, then you also have but like very you bring up a good point. In this era, especially of like, you know, social media, you know, the, I don't know, call it the multi Metaverse, the virtual reality that we live in, where everybody can give you feedback anonymously, you know, behind the keyboard, which is there's an element of cowardice there to a certain point, versus, you know, back in the day it was if you told somebody they were you know, sorry, Lance, I use it twice, jackass, you had to say that to their face and then you had to deal with the engagement repercussions, which at times, at least when, you know, I was growing up back when, you know, I walked uphill both ways two miles in the snow, right? Oh, yeah, exactly. All of us. Yeah. Well, now that I have kids, I can say that. So, you know, I get, you know, you risk getting punched in the face if you, you know, call a name, right? Or the equivalent thereof in in, you know, typical social settings. So, has that carried over to you? I mean, you're an artist in 2022.

Barry Mack  09:48

Yeah, you know...

Barry Mack  09:49

Yeah. You know, when I first started going professional, a good friend of mine who had been out there for a long time, professional artist Steve warned me about this. He said, when you put yourself out there, you're gonna get about 50%, negative 50% positive and at first, I can hardly believe it. I thought he was exaggerating. I thought no, that doesn't sound plausible that you're going to get 50% negative and it turns out that's about the case. I don't know.

Robert Delavan  09:49

How do you deal with that? How do you filter it?

Lance Johnson  10:21

It's kind of funny because I get 80% negative. I was choose to listen to the 20% positive, and then...

Adrian Schermer  10:32

Should have gotten to art Lance.

Robert Delavan  10:34

Yeah, then you would have been 50/50.

Adrian Schermer  10:36

I really don't. I'm very, I am curious about the filtering of that because I know you're like me, you're a car fan. One of these ideas that kicks around is the idea of a car that's built designed by committee. If you ask all the audience, what do they want, they'll build a car that nobody wants to buy, you kind of have to have a defined vision before you make an automobile or, you know, any other number of products, right? We can't just be an amalgamation of all of the things that the one in 10 people complained about. Otherwise, you know, the other nine who wouldn't have spoken up won't be happy. So, how do you? What's the filter?

Lance Johnson  11:08

A jack of all trades and a master of none. There's many versions of all these iterations of things.

Barry Mack  11:16

Yeah. Now, that actually comes up quite a bit. That's a good question. As an abstract painter, you know, a lot of people in my life have said, Barry, you know, if you just painted realistic things, you know, beautiful sunsets, you'd make a lot more money. You know, why don't you do that? You know, why are you doing abstract? It's hard for people to understand that kind of, you can't imagine that the times that I've heard that. And, you know, that's a common thing. Everybody has an opinion about what you should do and I think it's part of finding our voice, you know, finding out what motivates you, why you do what you do and when you become really, really confident about that and clear. The other feedback, I mean, to answer your question, it just doesn't I listen to it and I respond the best I can, but it never really persuades me one way or the other, I'm going to do what I'm gonna do.

Lance Johnson  12:15

It's like me. I'm brown hair, brown eye, bald, and five foot ten and maybe on a good day, and I have a certain way, there's nothing I can do about it. Like, you can't make me something I'm not. So, you know, as an artist, you're going to do what you do best and what you see good, bad or indifferent, whether you're a millionaire by doing it or not. You can't make you something you're not. You're gonna try to mould yourself. But it's only if you want to be that.

Barry Mack  12:49

Exactly! Yep and you know, I think if you tried to mould yourself into what everybody told you, it wouldn't be a happy ending.

Lance Johnson  12:58

Well, you'd be that car that he talked about, that nobody wants. Yep.

Robert Delavan  13:04

And if you keep fiddling, like, I mean, I guess to a certain degree, I mean, Lance, you and I, if we decided, you know, hey, January 2023, like, you and I are going to be, you know, like, get into good shape, right? So, you could, you know, kind of nibble around the edges, but we're not going to change your brown eyes and the fact that you and I are both follically challenged, right?

Lance Johnson  13:23

Well, so paradigm shift is, I've chosen a circle and I'm in perfect shape.

Robert Delavan  13:30

Round. I've used that myself. I'm more pear shaped in the [Cross talk].

Lance Johnson  13:37

I make jokes about all these things. But the reality of it is, is I'm pretty confident who I am and, you know, at the end of the day, I'm just gonna be me and do people either gonna like me or they're not, you know, I'm okay with it. I mean, I'm not gonna try to please everybody but, you know, I think I am very misunderstood because I'm a New Yorker that's in West Coast, and there's just different styles. You know, West Coast has different styles of communicating than East Coast. East Coast, I'm considered a softy when it comes to a New Yorker as far as how I communicate and then on the opposite side, on the West Coast, I people think of me as harsh because I speak my mind. It doesn't mean I don't care. It's just, I'm not passive aggressive.

Barry Mack  14:31

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Last, you know, I spent the last, you know, several years in New York and I know exactly what you're talking about. It' a pronounced difference.

Robert Delavan  14:42

Based on style, is there like is art different from West Coast to East Coast? I mean, is there a style difference?

Barry Mack  14:48

Yeah, East Coast art tends to be more I'm gonna just gonna generalize, okay? This is a very broad response, but East Coast tends to be more cutting edge more experimental. I think because there's a little more money on these coasts, people are willing to take more of a chance. So, yeah, you find stranger things on the East Coast, things that you'd never see on the West Coast.

Lance Johnson  15:13

That's just in general.

Robert Delavan  15:16

Yeah, but definitely as if...

Adrian Schermer  15:19

You've been on a New York City subway. You know, just how strange it can get.

Robert Delavan  15:25

I love it.

Lance Johnson  15:29

Barry, I love this question. What have you learned about the past? And how do you apply it to now? Yeah, give us some experience?

Barry Mack  15:39

Yeah, you know, these are great questions and kudos to you guys for coming up with these. A lot of them are very thought provoking and I decided to land on one perspective and that's that we can change how we respond to the past and this is kind of related to what we were talking about. But you know, a lot of times we tend to think of the past as being locked in stone, and it is what it is, you know, and really, the fact of the matter is the past lives in us in the moment in the present. There is no past really, it's all now and you know, a big part of our life is how we respond to the past, how do we feel about the past, and that can be changed and to me, that's a really important bit of information. We can change how we feel about the past.

Robert Delavan  16:29

And how do you do that? How do you apply it?

Barry Mack  16:35

If I have an experience, that tends to create a feeling that I don't want, I work on that. I work on changing that. You know, I'm sure I can come up with a million examples. Of course, now I'm drawing a blank now. But a lot of times we have an experience where, you know, it leaves you maybe discouraged or disappointed or whatever and you know, I know you guys can relate to this and if you let that get to you, it can take you down paths that aren't the best, or don't lead to where you want to go, you know?

Robert Delavan  17:17

So, failure, self-doubt that can lead to you know, I can't, you know, or like you said, you know, oh, I can't change that. So, then you start to internalize it, right?

Barry Mack  17:32

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, I can be changed.

Robert Delavan  17:37

And then if you internalize it, now there's a slippery slope, right? A downward spiral where, okay, so there was a failure, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm a failure. But if you pull into that, then you know, your best self isn't going to show up.

Lance Johnson  17:52

I think one of the things I was reading the other day, or it was on the show was the time that Michael Jordan got cut from the varsity team, he had to play JV and you know, his mom, his mom didn't complain. His dad didn't. They didn't blame the coach. They didn't blame everybody else. The only thing he said, she said to Michael was, you need to get in that gym and work harder, you know, so he didn't have self-doubt. It wasn't that it was just wasn't his time at that point in time and you know, he got cut from his varsity basketball, you would never think that Michael Jordan was obviously that basketball team probably was good, but also wasn't the right time and he could have turtled and self-doubted himself or go back to basics and get himself out of it and clearly, obviously, history was written, right?

Barry Mack  18:49

Yeah, that's a great example. I just thought of another example that happened to me when I first went public when I first did my show. I got some scathing feedback from somebody in the public arena, and it was published, okay? And the gallery owner, read the public review and she was infuriated and she wanted to actually call the person that put that out there and you know, it was in the past and I thought about it for a while I really did. At first, I took it personal. I worked through my usual thing, that no, I'm not going to let this get me down and I actually, I wrote a letter to the person and explored why they said that, and I won't tell you the whole story. But fast forward, we actually became really good friends and it's a beautiful relationship to this day and there's immense respect back and forth because I didn't take it personal. You know, I didn't go down that route of, oh my god, it's true. You know, I should never show again, my art sucks, you know, all that kind of stuff.

Robert Delavan  19:54

So, it came in through engagement, basically, or an opportunity for engagement and relationship.

Barry Mack  20:00

Yeah, exactly.

Lance Johnson  20:03

There was a Dilbert. Dilbert is that, you know, a little comment here and talked about, like a scathing review and so one of the characters is asking, well, how do you feel about it? I don't really, I can't remember the exact response, but was, well, it would matter if I only really cared about the person. So, since the person didn't care, it didn't really matter.

Barry Mack  20:28

Yeah. Well, I actually, I didn't know the person and so you know, I didn't care for it and find out, you know, why he wrote that and it turned out to be one of the most valuable experiences in my entire career.

Robert Delavan  20:41

Wow, that's, and I guess, if we could have a takeaway here, right, is, you know, it goes back to and we talked about this in earlier questions. It is actually the, you know, constructive criticism, we could dive deep on defining constructive criticism, right? Sometimes it's not the actual message. It's the way it's conveyed. But let's just assume, you know, we don't necessarily need cheerleaders. We're all very nice people, kind people. We have great relationships with people around us. But man, obviously, Barry, it was that specific sounds like pretty scathing criticism...

Barry Mack  21:18

Oh, demolishment.

Robert Delavan  21:22

But you engage you lead into it, instead of, you know, ran away from it and you know, when you have a situation like that, that basically taxes our character, but you lean into it, and you're like, okay, tell me? Tell me more?

Adrian Schermer  21:38

What's the growth opportunity here?

Robert Delavan  21:39

Right!

Barry Mack  21:39

Yeah and that's pretty cool.

Lance Johnson  21:41

You know, that says some about Barry's character, you know, is when you can take a hard hit and blow and, and become friends with that individual, you know, words can be very sharp, hard hitting, and if you let it affect you negatively, it will consume you. The other case, dealing with coping mechanisms that allow you to move on and therefore make a friendship by that guy says something about your characters.

Barry Mack  22:17

Yeah. That's an important idea.

Robert Delavan  22:23

And just the fact that your, your ego, you were able to humble yourself and in that moment with, you know, we all have our ego, right? And ego isn't good or bad. It kind of has a negative connotation sometimes, if you're not exploring it, but we all have an ego and man, you know, like you said, Lance character. That's brilliant insight.

Barry Mack  22:41

Yeah, well, you know, just to wrap it up, as I'm thinking about this, and listen to you guys, I've actually gained more from negative feedback that I have from positive.

Lance Johnson  22:50

Most people do so like in sports, you can win a bunch of games, and you won't progress because you think you're doing everything right. But as soon as you do one or two games, you start to really break down where the losses came and what really broke down, you learn more from failures than you ever do from successes.

Barry Mack  23:12

Absolutely!

Lance Johnson  23:13

And it's just a lot of times it's you know, it's how you approach those failures and understand to make you a better person and get back into the gym or the hockey or back in the artistry and try different things and I think people sometimes just you know, really there's a gift that's given when it's hard and but you got to look at that gift as a way that it's, it's gonna propel you.

Robert Delavan  23:43

That's incredible.

Lance Johnson  23:49

So, why don't you tell us about where we can reach you and stuff?

Barry Mack  23:55

Thanks Lance. I'm on all the major social platforms. Feel free to email me BarryMackart@gmail. My phone is open and BarryMackart.com is my website and also sea Gallery in the Bridgeport area.

Lance Johnson  24:14

So, why don't you tell us your phone number where they can reach you so all the people that don't see the PowerPoint, you know? Sure, jot your number down?

Barry Mack  24:21

Yeah, 971-348-1890.

Lance Johnson  24:26

Awesome. Great.

Robert Delavan  24:27

Thank you.

Adrian Schermer  24:30

Thank you, Barry Mack. BarryMackart.com is the website check our show notes. To learn more about Barry Mack, learn more about the three of us as well, links to our websites in the description and the get rich slow website as well where you can join us in the hub of information for what we do here. We've also got some events coming up. I think we've got that here. Roi-FA.com/events is the best way to find out when our next learning grow event is. We do some of the wind events as well, that Lake Oswego office. I know we've got a learning grow coming up August 12, summer bash on the 20th of August and then again I know it's early but get them done early so you can get those Christmas Cards out photos with Santa on November 12.

Lance Johnson  25:17

Nice.

Robert Delavan  25:19

Looking forward to. Yeah, not even Christmas in July here in June. Love it. Thank you. Thank you so much Barry for being a guest. This was actually you know, look looking backwards and gleaning wisdom from you. It's interesting where the conversation goes. So, thank you for sharing your history with us. We're looking forward to episodes two and three with you. We'll look at kind of what's going on now with you and then in the last episode, we'll jump into where you're going and looking forward to this one. It's always fun having a guest Thank you, Lance brilliant at the basics Johnson Thank you silky baritone, Adrian Schermer and signing off for now we'll see on the flipside to on the get rich slow podcast.

Barry Mack  26:07

Thank you guys. It's been awesome.

Guest Barry Mack 2 of 3

Adrian Schermer  00:02

Hello future millionaires and welcome back to the get rich slow podcast. We are your hosts Adrian Schermer, Robert Delavan, and Lance Johnson. Good morning, gentlemen.

Robert Delavan  00:11

Good morning

Lance Johnson  00:12

Good morning.

Adrian Schermer  00:13

You can find us online Apple podcasts, Spotify, audible Amazon music, YouTube, and something called Stitcher. Today we've got our special guest, Barry Mack with Barry Mack Art. Good morning, Barry. Good to have you back. Today we're gonna speak with Barry Mack with Barry Mack Art. Barry is a dynamic artist who creates art specific to your needs and this episode is all about what Barry's got going on right now and a little bit about how he makes his art. So, Barry, let's get you started.

Barry Mack  00:49

Yeah. Good morning, guys. Good to be here. I really enjoyed our first session. I'm excited about this one.

Robert Delavan  00:53

Yeah, and I'm looking forward to this. So, this is episode two of three. So, let's have some fun with this one.

Barry Mack  01:00

Yeah, absolutely.

Lance Johnson  01:05

All right, Barry, let me kick this off. What are you inspired by most?

Barry Mack  01:10

Yeah, you know, these are all great questions and I appreciate all these questions you guys come up with. I'm actually inspired by working. I love what I do.

Lance Johnson  01:21

Awesome. I like what I do. When you love what you do, it's not really work, right?

Barry Mack  01:26

No, it is.

Adrian Schermer  01:29

I agree with that.

Barry Mack  01:32

You know, most inspiring thing and you know, if I get up and start working at 6, and I knock off at 12 at night, I'm not more tired. I'm less tired. I actually have to discipline myself to go to bed. I'm just energized by what I do. It's a cool thing.

Robert Delavan  01:50

So, was there a journey to get to that point, like that always the case?

Barry Mack  01:59

No, I think that's a great question. I think I worked into it slowly. It's almost like a train, you know, leaving the station. You build momentum and eventually when you do it for a while and you really love it and you build up. You know, some real passion around it. It's kind of sneaks up on you. I didn't...

Adrian Schermer  02:22

Can you turn it on? I feel like inspiration for me just comes it's either there. It's not I don't get an opportunity 2 am, I'm like, I gotta write this down. My wife goes crazy.

Barry Mack  02:35

Yeah, it's not a matter of turning it on. It's just when I started working, I just automatically go into flow. You know, it's just, I love it.

Lance Johnson  02:43

Yeah, I mean, I feel the same way about the job I do and the companies around is I'm sicker than a dog this last 10 days. But yeah, how are you even thought once to take a day off? I just, it's never really like work, right? So, when you're sick, you still play, you know, unless you're like bedridden. It's the same way with me and it's I love that because I never when I'm driving in, I don't think I've ever had a thought no matter how hard the markets gone down or somebody got hit hard finances. I've never had a question about coming in to work which is I guess other people do and I've never had that feelings ever.

Robert Delavan  03:32

So, let me share this. Barry, give us your thoughts actually Lance major and same thing. The core stuff that I do the people portion, the building something you know, more out of the some of the parts, right? That energizes me and I'm like I love that portion of it. The one of the things that I've learned about it really a big mentor of mine has actually been Lance over the last decade has been you know in this concept brilliant at the basics and teaching you know to work smarter and you know to an element harder but also smarter. It's this concept of delegate out what doesn't put you in flow and you know different things like that. So, that's the piece like I want to explore for the audience before we move on is like all say, Yeah, I love actually my work. I don't love every aspect of my work and generally speaking the aspects of my work that drain me, those are the ones that I want to systematize and get off my plate.

Barry Mack  04:44

That's a really good point, Rob. In fact, there's a great book out called I forget the name of it now but it's about only doing what you're good at and delegate.

Robert Delavan  04:55

And I mean when you say Barry that you know so, fill us in on that at 6am Till, you know, midnight, your that's your creative process, right? But I'm sure there's things that you're, you know, just like, Okay, let's figure out how to get somebody that's really good at that to do it so that you can actually create.

Barry Mack  05:19

No, that's true. Yeah, but the question is what inspires me the most and that's doing the thing I love create.

Robert Delavan  05:25

Yeah, and then that's the beauty of I know for a fact that Lance, Adrian, Barry, you know, as we've got to know each other, there are huge elements of our jobs and what we do that literally, fill us up, and that's a lot of fun.

Barry Mack  05:42

Oh, yeah. Yeah, for everybody. It's a wonderful thing. I wish everybody could experience it. You know, it just pains me when I hear that people hate to go to their job.

Adrian Schermer  05:51

I picture like people say their battery you know what, like a social battery to extroverts, introverts. You know, some people are supercharged by being around people. Some people are super truly being alone and then they feel like they're expending that that energy and I think a big part of life is just trying to find those things that make you feel more full and getting rid of those things that are draining on your human energy.

Barry Mack  06:15

Yeah, that book is by Gay Hendricks, and I forget the name of it. It's something like yeah, I don't remember. But you know, it's basically living. Oh, it's something about your genius zone. You want to look at that.

Lance Johnson  06:27

Okay. I'm not sure I have a genius zone.

Robert Delavan  06:34

Me neither. But I'm not. I'm pretty sure Lance has one.

Barry Mack  06:39

You guys gotta genius zone.

Adrian Schermer  06:40

The genius zone, the breakout process.

Lance Johnson  06:44

[Cross talk].

Barry Mack  06:49

It's just what you love to do.

Adrian Schermer  06:52

Yeah, that's cool. All right, Barry. So, why are the arts relevant in today's world? It's a polarized and uncertain world. Why does it matter?

Barry Mack  07:06

Yeah, that's a great question and my take on it is the arts and I want to expand the definition of arts, okay? To my mind, sports are also part of the arts, I think, maybe I believe that's sports also a form of art. So, sports, arts, dancing, painting, poetry, whatever. It creates a sense of togetherness, it's, you know, create a sense of unity. It's a common language if you will, you know, it transcends political boundaries. It transcends all kinds of stuff. You know, a good example of this is a couple that came into the gallery the other day, you know, him and I had never met the husband before and he came in and he saw my work and he immediately went into like, a half an hour talk about what it meant to him. I had never talked to him. He never read about my work. But he instantly got it and it was what do you call it a point of commonality and I think the arts do this in general. Sports do it. The arts do it and I think it's a wonderful thing. It brings people together. Now that's what I'm getting at.

Adrian Schermer  08:19

Did you agree with his analysis of your art or were there some differences there?

Barry Mack  08:25

Yeah, blew me away. Absolutely blew me away. In fact, I really could hardly believe it I was here. Just amazing. So, amazing that the arts communicate the way that they do and those force do the same thing. You know, when you're watching a great athlete, it's totally inspiring and here's the other book for you guys. I know you're into sports but check out the rise of Superman by Steven Kottler. It is an amazing book about extreme athletes. It will blow you away.

Adrian Schermer  08:58

We're gonna have a book list and the notes on this one guy. It is the genius zone by the way I pulled it up.

Robert Delavan  09:04

We'll put that in the show notes also for disclosures, so you know...

Lance Johnson  09:12

It's steven Kottler?

Barry Mack  09:14

Yeah, K-O-T-T-L-E-R. You're gonna love it. It's all about extreme athletes and the things that they do I mean, it's the title kind of gives you what the rise of Superman and the things that these guys are doing, its mind blowing. It's like literally superhuman what they're doing.

Robert Delavan  09:31

Interesting and what you're saying like whether it be sports or poetry, physical art medium, dancing, you know, all of the different things and I believe that's why it was the arts was capitalized here in the question is the so you're speaking a same language, right? Like, it's a universal language. Somebody from Japan, somebody from Italy and somebody from Portland, Oregon, can all appreciate different levels, whatever that meeting is to them is what I'm hearing...

Barry Mack  10:07

And would you guys agree that sports is part of this?

Adrian Schermer  10:10

Absolutely! Yeah. When I think about it, I wouldn't have if you had asked me the beginning of this is our sports and art, I think my brain would have exploded. But it makes a lot of sense.

Lance Johnson  10:20

It's gonna have a difficult time explaining to my kids that poetry and playing hockey.

Adrian Schermer  10:28

There's an art school there.

Robert Delavan  10:31

That's an interesting comparison. But well, like so Lance, you're the only person, at least unless Barry surprises us with some background that I don't know about. You're the only person here of the four of us that I know, that's played like, relatively elite, I mean, not like, you know?

Lance Johnson  10:53

I played against [Inaudible 10:54]. I used to play against Portland timber players when I was here, after college.

Robert Delavan  11:03

So, I mean, you know, like, these guys are next level, and they play at a level that maybe say a more amateur person or less accomplished person is playing at, like only your very best, right? Like, and you hit that flow point and athletes talk about that. Barry, when you work from 6 am you know, creating till midnight, and you're in that flow for....

Barry Mack  11:31

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Robert Delavan  11:33

So, you hit it and there is like, there's an art, like, there's a sweet spot, there's a flow that we all reach, and I know we get it, you know, and somehow people can appreciate that if they take the time to watch.

Barry Mack  11:49

Well, yeah, I mean, think about the Olympics, you know, that's something that brings people together from all over the world and crosses political boundaries, religious boundaries, all that stuff. So, yeah.

Robert Delavan  11:57

Okay, I get it.

Adrian Schermer  12:02

There I ask, where do we draw the line? I mean, design is art, right? Like every object in our world is art in some degree because we, you know, it's designed with purpose. Where do you draw line, Barry?

Barry Mack  12:14

Yeah, well, that's a great question and that's actually the meaning of pop art. You know, the idea behind pop art is that everything is art. You know, it's a subjective thing. I don't know if everybody's gonna agree with that.

Adrian Schermer  12:31

I'm gonna say mortgages are not art. So, there must be something, there's got to be a line somewhere.

Robert Delavan  12:36

That's a whole another life. You know, I mean, honestly, actually, I've seen both Lance and Adrian. There is like an art to, you know, the financial world. There's an art to putting together the solution that really works well. Tailored everybody's needs are individual, right? So, I don't know there's something there? Well, I don't know that works.

Barry Mack  13:07

How about define it like this? The arts are something that you practice and get really good at until it's inspiring. It's inspiring to watch extreme athletes, it's inspiring to watch great artists performers, you know, I mean, that's how I define it. What do you guys think?

Adrian Schermer  13:26

I love that. I might be an artist, after all, because I'm inspired. I mean, we're inspired to this podcast, right, we're inspired to spread the knowledge and to do better.

Barry Mack  13:34

There you go.

Lance Johnson  13:34

Okay. I think what you're alluding to is that there's an egocentricness to everybody's life and you're an artist so the way you see everything around you comes from that centre point of being an artist and so I don't know if I necessarily agree 100%. I don't disagree but from your point of view, there's an artistry to everything layered over as you look at your world there's an artistry that I don't know if I could see unless I had a Captain Crunch decoder. I see it from the financial world. That's what I kind of see and it what I'm learning is that your point of view, and I want to want to ever take it away from you. I don't know if I necessarily agree with it, but I see why you see it that way. I don't necessarily see it that way. I I see it from a....

Barry Mack  14:37

Yeah, no, I get it. When I look out in the world, I don't see perfection beauty everywhere. I'm just saying that you know, when I think about the arts and again, including sports, back to the question, the arts are relevant because they bring people together. So, universal.

Lance Johnson  14:58

Absolutely. I see that. Yeah, I see that.

Robert Delavan  15:01

Yeah, and there's an ability for all, you know, you like, you know, Lance and Barry and Adrian, to inspire others at the top of our craft which is an interesting concept.

Lance Johnson  15:17

The way I look at it is, is if there's a an accident, right, it's always amazing to me 10 people can see the exact same accident, and you get eight different stories of what happened on that accident and I think this applies here is, is you can see 10 people can see my life, Rob's life, Barry's life, whatever, and you're gonna get eight different versions of what you're seeing and where I learned today, based on this is that's an interesting parallel of how art feathers into everything around his world. But yeah, like I said, is I would have logistically a hard time explaining to my kid that poetry is the same as hockey or, you know?

Barry Mack  16:07

It's a cultural notion, Lance. If you break it down and explain to him that poetry and hockey is something that you practice that and get really good at. I mean, come on.

Robert Delavan  16:19

Yeah. Good point. Okay, cool. I love it. So, Barry, why are you doing a podcast today?

Barry Mack  16:36

I think the podcast is one of the best ways to enhance the online know, like, and trust factor. You know, I'm sure you've heard that, and you know, of all the things that you can do and, you know, we're becoming an online world, of all the things that we can do. I think a podcast is really effective at that. A good podcast, people get to see you, they get to listen to you, you know, it builds that know, like, and trust factor. That's why I think it's great.

Robert Delavan  17:06

Yeah, the interesting concept with the podcast is like, I get these new waves of change from like, my kids and Lance, you and I've had a lot of conversations because our kids are roughly the same age. Like, when I grew up, I watched cartoons, right? Like, in the morning, you know, Saturday morning, get up, you know, mom and dad are still sleeping, like that sort of thing, right? You know, because remember, I'll give a shameless, rambling rod. Lance, I don't know that you saw that on the East Coast. But, you know, like, it was kids watching, you know, being interviewed, and then watching cartoons and like, that was like, the highlight of the morning on Saturday. Well, my kids, there's 100 or 1000s more cartoon options and they watch YouTube videos and most of its like, how to and like how the world works and the other day, I caught him watching a YouTube video on like, how, like, a farm that was shearing sheep and he's watching a YouTube video.

Adrian Schermer  18:19

I love that.

Robert Delavan  18:19

Like, I mean, it just it was kind...

Adrian Schermer  18:21

Like the how it's made videos, right? I love those when I was a kid. I was obsessed.

Barry Mack  18:25

And I got a video the other day of a guy up in some kind of a, I don't know what it was, he was flying, and this eagle comes along. I mean, you could see down it, I have no idea how high up but this eagle lands on his kite with him. I mean, it's just the coolest thing, never see anything like it.

Robert Delavan  18:44

Well, and this concept with the podcast is, you know, we have this opportunity to know like and trust each other because we actually have a platform of disseminating our ideas are, you know, these concepts, great debate, you know, some of my favorite ones are where we actually like, you know, okay, do we agree with each other? Do we not and, you know, that's the point is we can explore this stuff and you can see this stuff, listen to it, all that sort of thing and there's a whole universe of information out there that we, you know, couple decades ago, three decades ago, four decades ago, like wasn't even, you know, like, remember the Jetson's life was supposed to be a certain thing. Well, we're living that compared to where we were 40 years ago. It just looks very different. So, I don't know coming back to podcasting. Maybe I didn't make my point. But I probably didn't. Lance did I wander [Cross talk].

Lance Johnson  19:41

I'm not sure we're in Oregon.

Robert Delavan  19:46

As long as we're in the universe, I mean, this podcast thing.

Barry Mack  19:49

Let me throw out another interesting concept that got hidden the other day. You know, a lot of people when they hear their voice recording for the first-time guys complained to this. You don't like it, right? You hear your voice for the first time you see your voice on video or you see yourself in video and you're like, oh my god, you know, so my point is when you do a podcast you actually get to know like and trust yourself which is amazing concept.

Robert Delavan  20:16

Okay. So, that's a big why of why you're doing a podcast also I'm sure?

Barry Mack  20:20

I don't do it for that reason but that's a what would you call it a....

Robert Delavan  20:25

Fringe benefit. There we go yeah, that's a fun concept. We can share this, and we've really enjoyed this. I do have to point out though is the outfit very for our watchers in addition to listeners, you know, all I don't know the dozens of you out there because everybody listens. Barry, you're looking sharp.

Barry Mack  20:52

Yeah, no, I seriously I wear so that I don't take myself too seriously. It's the fun factor. No kidding. So, over the top.

Adrian Schermer  21:08

That wraps up number two or three on the get rich slow podcast interview with Barry Mack. We're gonna have this as a series. Next episode we're gonna talk a bit about where Barry is headed in the future. Barry where can we find you?

Barry Mack  21:21

You can find me at BarryMackart.com. Email me BarryMarkart@gmail.com. My phone number 971-348-1890 and sea gallery and the Bridgeport area.

Adrian Schermer  21:37

Call Barry guys, just call him. He's super fun. There's so many stories that I wanted to cram into this podcast and honest or this episode series at least.

Barry Mack  21:48

But don't even think about [Inaudible 21:49].

Adrian Schermer  21:51

Call Barry. Ask them about motorcycles? Ask him about the first piece art? Well, I liked that. You know, Barry, you made this point. I'm gonna ramble real quick. But you know, people buy art, not just because they like the picture, or the painting or whatever it is the piece, the sculpture. A big part of buying art is the connection that you make with the artist, you're gonna look at that piece of art and go, I talked to the guy who did that, you know, it's not just hanging and it's some ethereal idea of a human being. You're gonna have conversations ideally with the artist and that's a powerful thing is that people who buy art from you get to talk to you and build a personal connection.

Barry Mack  22:29

Yep, and you get to know what the art is about. My art is about freedom. It's about you know, having a great time and exploring all the things we talked about living in flow, that's what it's about and if you get that then looking at the art has a whole different meaning.

Adrian Schermer  22:45

Absolutely. Add Barry Mack on social media, get a taste of what his art is, like, see if it's a good fit for you. Connect with Barry, as you said, BarryMackart.com. I like that everything's nice and simple. It's the name. We are your get, rich, slow podcast team. Thanks so much for joining us and we look forward to speaking with you again next time, Barry.

Barry Mack  23:07

Awesome, guys. Thank you.

Adrian Schermer  23:08

Oh, and before I forget, we do have some events coming up. If you want to find out what's going on in the local area. You want to come and meet up with us folks. Roi-FA.com/events. We've got some learning grows some wine. What are we calling the wine? I'm forgetting the title. Summer bash. There was a fun name for it. Sip and mingle. We got the summer bash coming up. Few of those in August and then, yeah, some photos with Santa in November. All right. Well, that was a good one.

Robert Delavan  23:36

Thank you, guys.

Adrian Schermer  23:37

We catch you next time guys.

Guest Barry Mack 3 of 3

Adrian Schermer  00:02

Hello future millionaires and welcome back to the get rich slow podcast. We're your hosts Adrian Schermer, Robert Delavan, and Lance Johnson. Good morning, gentlemen.

Robert Delavan  00:10

Good morning.

Lance Johnson  00:11

Good morning, everybody.

Adrian Schermer  00:12

You can find us online at Apple podcasts, Spotify, audible Amazon music, YouTube, and Stitcher. Today we have our special guests. This is part three in a three-part series, talking to Barry Mack with Barry Mack Art.

Lance Johnson  00:27

Yeah, and I just want to take a moment. It's been fun. We've been having a blast. It just seems like we just connect in we got.

Barry Mack  00:36

Yup, I've enjoyed it a lot. Good morning.

Lance Johnson  00:38

Dials on wardrobe. It's been awesome.

Barry Mack  00:42

Really excited about it.

Robert Delavan  00:44

Enjoy the visuals.

Adrian Schermer  00:46

The amount of chance definitely listen to episodes one and two. This is a three-part series I highly encourage you to Yeah, Barry. It's been a blast getting to know Yeah. How are you enjoying this so far?

Barry Mack  00:56

Oh, I'm loving it. Absolutely love it. Yeah, the synergy here has been amazing and yeah, the exploration the topics has been really cool. Really fun. Thank you.

Adrian Schermer  01:05

You brought such a cool shirt last time. I didn't know if you're gonna be able to outdo yourself. But yeah, have that's fantastic. Keep it creative. Today, we're looking ahead at what is to come for Barry and Barry Mack art as a in its entirety. So, let's kick it off, guys.

Robert Delavan  01:25

Yeah, we're looking forward to this.

Barry Mack  01:26

I'm looking forward to it too. Let's get into it.

Lance Johnson  01:31

Well, I think I'll kick it off, then. When you think about our future. Here's ours, Rob's, everybody's, your family's, what gets you the most exciting?

Barry Mack  01:42

Thing that gets me the most excited, of course, remember, I'm an artist and kind of a dreamer. I like to think of the world becoming a little more unified, you know, little less divisiveness, you know, people coming together more. That's, that's my vision for us and I think we can all relate to that, right? It's been pretty intense last few years. When I think about that, that gets me excited. I believe it's possible and you know, I want to contribute to that and on a personal note, that's what gets me the most excited about my own work is somehow contributing to that, you know, producing work that somehow creates a common language brings people together in some way. You know, I want to feel like I'm making a difference, and I'm contributing.

Robert Delavan  02:26

What's interesting is, for our viewing audience, again, is you said that dreamer concept and Lance was, you know, pointing the straight up over his right shoulder, what we see is his left shoulder, I guess and that dream concept. That's huge. I mean, future. That's what our future is made of and then there's the, you know, how do you turn those dreams into realities through goal setting, and, you know, all of the different pieces, which isn't necessarily our core topic today, but you're pushing for something. So, I guess my follow up question to that Barry, is what, like, is there that vision? You said, you know, pulling people together different things, like, you know, there's a vision there, there's a reason for that. So, you know, can you extract or share some more there?

Barry Mack  03:17

Well, it's really my inherent optimism and again, this is debatable, but I actually believe in spite of how everything looks, that people are communicating more. There's more empathy. You know, there's more communication going on with online news and stuff like that. Whether it's fake or not, who knows? But, you know, I think we are coming together, and I do you know, I do see a future where things get better for us, you know, that there's less divisiveness. It's a vision.

Lance Johnson  03:49

That would be a really good poll to see if our audience sees that a better or worse future. It's an interesting topic, like someday we should have kind of like nine people on this podcast on and we have topics like that.

Barry Mack  04:06

Yeah. Well, just for fun. Where do you guys weigh in? Tell me what you think. Are things getting better or worse?

Robert Delavan  04:15

That's an interesting one. I think my caveat to that is it depends on the topic.

Lance Johnson  04:20

Yeah. I agree with that.

Robert Delavan  04:22

You know, like...

Lance Johnson  04:23

I don't think not to get political. I don't think the way the election went down and the repercussions of everything that happened. There's some obvious processes that need to be fixed in order to create a fairness in you know, and then when you think about people's wealth and financial wealth, you know, compared to OA, you know, people have higher values of net worth and less debt and, you know, their incomes are higher. So, I agree with Rob. I think there's a lot of topics that you can apply that question to.

Barry Mack  04:58

I agree.

Robert Delavan  04:59

Yeah, and of the piece of that is, there's a lot of things you could say, yeah, they're getting better a lot of things. You know, maybe not. The one thing that I think most people can agree on is like, especially like the technology and I mean, there's an evolution happening. The fact that we can do a podcast today we touched on actually on the last episode is, you know, my kids can watch sheep being sheared, instead of, you know, a stupid cartoon with, you know, run over a, you know, on a freeway. So, like, you know, there's definitely an evolution happening, the question becomes is, where's the opportunity for better, right? And then you got to define better and I don't know, I don't want to go down too much of a rabbit hole.

Barry Mack  05:51

We're digressing a little bit. But let me reframe the question. Are you guys optimistic about the future?

Adrian Schermer  05:58

I am. I'm a hardcore optimist. I think the pros outweigh the cons. I think the world is moving in a better direction. It's a safer place. It's a cleaner place, in some respects and even the people who are upset with a lot of people are upset for the right reasons. We're upset about things that matter and these things existed before we had the world of the internet to, to bring them into the light and maybe that's a good thing, maybe some of these conversations. I think a lot of people think that people arguing online never gets to anything. It definitely does. I've definitely read disagreements online and a few days later, maybe it finally clicked for me, you know, you're not necessarily going to see the change in the comment section on a Facebook argument. But I think that the dialogue, I've had people come up to me after I've had a conversation like that. Remember, when you argue with that person a year ago, and really made me think about, you know, this subject or another and...

Barry Mack  06:45

Yeah, totally agreed everything you said, Adrian.

Adrian Schermer  06:48

It's an honest discourse. I appreciate.

Lance Johnson  06:50

And you know, me, I'm always the anti. I also think there's a lot of respect issues that people have in dialogue, and I think it has deteriorated people getting along.

Barry Mack  07:09

Lance, let me ask you directly, are you optimistic about the future?

Lance Johnson  07:13

I'm more of a realist. I think there's some half full things that I like, where we're going and I think there's some things that we just as a society, we just, we don't really handle very well and as a result of that is deteriorate the humanity of, of our world and so I see, I kind of put them in those two camps. You know, and, again, not to get political. But if you truly are a politician that believes in democracy, you got to have a fair election process, to get to where both sides can believe that it was done correctly. I think the last election was just awful the way it was and so that makes me sad that somebody that wouldn't, you know, whoever would win it, they can come back and say, as a politician, I believe that everything was done fairly. I don't know. There's just too many weird coincidences that makes that that if we don't fix it by future elections, you're gonna divide this country on a very, very fixable easy way.

Barry Mack  08:33

Yeah. Robert, what do you think you optimistic about the future?

Robert Delavan  08:37

Yes. Generally, I think the optimism somewhat slightly outweighs the negative. Lance touched on it. There's a respect issue with the technology is incredible and the ability is incredible. But like the fact that people can there's a little bit of a bigger voice for folks who have maybe a cowardly streak, and that they want to, like we've talked about this before with your art various, you know, they'll have like, you know, scathing review, but unless you actually engage, you know, back in the day, if you told somebody, they were a jerk to their face, then there was a repercussion of you might get smacked, right? And now it's, you know, I'm just hiding behind, you know, my username and my keyboard and that's the negative. I think that's what's dragging it down that lack of respect of actually engaging.

Lance Johnson  09:41

You look at your art, right, and you had that review, and the person never got to know you and then you became friends after they got to know you.

Barry Mack  09:48

Yeah, became friends who's a part I didn't....

Lance Johnson  09:51

So, why did you become friends after he gave his schema review and would have given you a scathing review if you got to really know you? So, yeah, we really respect you or did his due diligence and then after he did, it was a different reveal. So, the respect issue is that he really did his due diligence on getting to know where you were coming from and as you talked about connecting with the artists, he never did.

Barry Mack  10:21

Well, he actually did. He eventually got to know me an answer.

Lance Johnson  10:25

No, that's not what I'm saying. After the review, he didn't connect with you. So, he gave you a review. Yeah, connecting with you and you just in previous episode just talked about how important it is to connect your art is connecting with the artist. So, again, the guy gave you a review, basically, not even knowing you and not even knowing the purpose of you art, that there isn't a respect issue. You know, everybody has a voice now. But with that voice, there's a responsibility and a powerness to it and they're, you know, I think there's back in the day, there's just some, you know, just a culture issue of having respect for other individuals and how you approach things and voice your opinion. Yeah, I think we've lost that through technology.

Barry Mack  11:22

Yeah, totally agree. Well, let me ask another question quickly with you guys. Are you optimistic? Are you excited about contributing about making a difference?

Adrian Schermer  11:33

Absolutely.

Robert Delavan  11:35

That's the piece that gets me going, Barry is when you build stuff, especially when you bring in others? I mean, there's been some collaboration, you know, between Adrian, Lance, and I, and I think you've, you know, seen a little bit of that, as we've gotten to know you, that man, like, it's incredible. The possibilities and that's the piece that oh, the optimism is through the roof. You know, we can do better and, frankly, you know, we are within everything that we're trying to do, you know, with the little pinpricks that we are in the universe. But it's amazing what you can do with when you start bringing a whole bunch of those people together. You know, there's enough shovels and you can move a mountain, right?

Barry Mack  12:27

Yeah, and that is exciting.

Robert Delavan  12:28

Yeah, it's fun stuff.

Adrian Schermer  12:34

All right. Let's shift gears a little bit. Barry, I love this question. I really do. What would you do if you knew you would not fail?

Barry Mack  12:42

Yeah, such a great question. I've thought about it a lot, guys and I've actually taken an interesting spin on my own mind. In a way, let me break it down. It's actually asking what are you afraid of doing, right? That's kind of a trick question. In that sense. It's asking what are you afraid of doing, okay? So, I've thought about this and in a way, if you're, if you're doing what you love, if you're really enjoying it, you're not afraid of it. I mean, to be honest, failure is not part of my vocabulary. I don't think of failure because I'm doing what I love. I enjoy it. Failure never enters into it. So, kind of a weird way of looking at this question is, if you're afraid of doing something, do you really enjoy it? Because I think if you enjoy it, failure is irrelevant. You know that if you stick to it, you're going to succeed, or something more awesome is going to come up. Would you guys agree with that?

Robert Delavan  13:38

Yeah. So, this may go a little bit left field. When I saw this question, you know, in our show prep here, you know, what I would do actually is with, it would take an incredible amount of resources to do this. I would actually fix our healthcare system.

Adrian Schermer  14:00

Oh, dear.

Lance Johnson  14:01

Oh, my goodness.

Adrian Schermer  14:05

I was thinking like learn guitar, and he's like, I'm gonna fix healthcare.

Robert Delavan  14:11

So, anyway, I think I actually talked to a really smart doc one time and he was imprinting on me this concept of with enough resources, you could actually do it.

Barry Mack  14:21

Yeah, would you enjoy doing that, Rob? Would you love doing that?

Robert Delavan  14:27

Oh, man, that would be such a blunt like, that would be so much fun.

Barry Mack  14:31

All right, it wouldn't be afraid of failing.

Robert Delavan  14:34

Right. It's just resources.

Lance Johnson  14:37

I mean, if you created healthcare in a democratic society where the people are using the resources, can yelp and choose who they go to, right? So, you made it a massive Obamacare but then with Obamacare, you can actually choose whether you go to providence or a manual or whatever and then based on that supply and demand where you get into bedside manner and cost of doing things, and you reported all those numbers to the people that are using it, you wouldn't fix healthcare. It wouldn't be, but it wouldn't be as profitable for the healthcare system. It would be driven by supply and demand. The users would pay more for the services that you're getting that are better and you don't have to wait in lines and some of that, but you got to get a system, a healthcare system that is a democracy basically, or a democratic way. Not a democratic way but a...

Robert Delavan  15:43

A free market,

Lance Johnson  15:44

A free market society, where the people get to choose, and all that data gets reported.

Barry Mack  15:51

Yeah. So, Rob, you're not actually afraid of failing at that. I think it's more a case of in the time that we have, what are we going to do with that.

Robert Delavan  16:01

Exactly and it's just it's an interesting, and it's probably very abstract for me. It's probably nothing that I'll ever do. But man, it would be fun to tackle.

Barry Mack  16:09

No, it's a great question. It brings up a lot of interesting things.

Lance Johnson  16:12

So, I like this one if we know you will never fail. So, I often talk about it is at some point in time in your life and you look back at the most the events that made you most proud of yourself, it doesn't matter what other people think at the end of the day, where are you proud of yourself? It's tackling your demons, tackling the things you're afraid of that challenges you and that you face Darth Vader, you know, face to face, like in what was the episode two where he went back, and he had to go in that tunnel and then he saw Darth Vader for the first time and then he hit it and it was his face. He's tackling his demons. When you look back at those things, that you have to face those demons, you have to overcome, you have to change and when you do and you look back in your life, that's when you're most proud.

Barry Mack  17:12

Yeah, I think if you really look at it, you do that because you enjoy doing.

Robert Delavan  17:15

Yeah, that's true. Well, it's the reward is, the personal piece is that reward is you try you try you try, you know, what, what do we say? I never lose, I either win or I learn, right? I do a lot of learning, right? Learn, learn, learn, learn, learn, finally get a result and then it's like, sweet, I got it. But if something isn't hard to do, you know, and if you don't experience, you know, not hitting the mark. You know, it's not as satisfying, right? So, I don't know there's an element of that this is we could...

Adrian Schermer  17:52

You're flipping our interview process Barry. You just you just like, what about us, your interview is a very beautiful product, my answer will be everything I would just do absolutely everything sometimes I feel like that. There's a Sylvia Plath story about that, that we're so spoiled for choice, you know, this about a fig tree and all the figs dropped to the ground, and they rot because you couldn't choose which fig to grab off. That's how I feel all the time. There's just so much, you know, especially in the modern world where, you know, look at us, I can buy a camera, you know, used to take an entire crew to shoot something and now we can do this together, which is awesome. The amount of content that you can produce, someone can watch someone shearing sheep in another country or you know, all the I love that the technology has made it so that we can have television shows about everything. I'm watching these guys build a Mini Cooper in New Zealand right now, that would have never been a television show. They would have never been syndicated. But it's great because they can produce hours and hours of content and I can watch it because you no longer have to fit in a box. So, what a fantastic world to be in.

Barry Mack  18:55

Yes, indeed.

Robert Delavan  19:00

Okay, so Barry, how are the arts helping create a better world for everyone?

Barry Mack  19:07

Yeah, another great question.

Robert Delavan  19:11

Somehow, I feel like you're gonna flip it around on us.

Lance Johnson  19:15

I will wait for us to come up with a crappy question.

Robert Delavan  19:22

Yeah. So, and for everyone. I mean, there's some unpacking here.

Barry Mack  19:27

Yeah, there is a lot of unpacking and we could riff on this stuff for a long time. So, let me give you an example. This kind of a mind blowing. This is a true story. Well, I'm gonna lay on you, okay and this gets back to this question. How does it create a better world? Okay, one of my collectors was redoing their office, okay? And they hired a contractor. The contractor came into the office to start to work. He saw one of my paintings on the wall, and you're gonna think I'm making this up? I'm not. She called me and told me the story. It stopped him in his tracks and he said that he had an out of body experience, believe it or not, and he was gone. He experienced some kind of cosmic thing, and he came back changed his life and he had to leave for the day to think about it to integrate it. Okay, how does that relate to helping create a better world? I think art can do amazing things for people. Okay, it creates things that we can anticipate and again, I think sports if you read the rise of Superman, it's back to that the arts, including sports, Lance, or helping create a better universe universal, okay? Transcends the key here is it transcends political and religious boundaries. That's how it creates a better world.

Robert Delavan  20:45

So, you're tying that back into, you know, the optimistic, the future, believe it a better place than we found it, you know? Okay. How does, like, so that's a pretty incredible story and that was a obviously very, very real for you, you know, transformational experience for that one person. Is there an element of this for where you can affect it at the macro level? I mean, there's only what, seven some billions of us here.

Adrian Schermer  21:20

Now, we just crossed the eighth line.

Robert Delavan  21:24

So, you know, like, I mean, that's a lot. What's is there an application for that?

Barry Mack  21:34

Well, you know, as each of us become really good at what we do, we're contributing in our own way, contributing some ration contributing some motivation, creating some, you know, some togetherness, that's my answer to that.

Robert Delavan  21:50

And so then what's like, what's next? Let's pull it back in from, I might have rabbit hold you out to 8 billion people, right? So, what's that look like for you? What's the next piece of creativity or the next step and this might be very, you know, general because we don't always know exactly, or it looks like?

Barry Mack  22:11

No, this podcast is actually a part of the answer to your question was getting my work out to as many people as possible. I mean, wouldn't you guys agree that you'd like to get your work out to as many people as possible, right?

Adrian Schermer  22:23

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Robert Delavan  22:26

So, podcast, obviously, I know you're growing in the social media marketing area. I know that you're working with some different professionals in the art world that are, you know, influential, so to speak, and they're spreading the word, you know, Barry Mack Art, that sort of things.

Barry Mack  22:50

The guy, David Evans. He's really good at helping artists in particular. I mean, he works with a lot of different businesses, but he's really good at advertising online. He's got that master to his science, where if you get your website, right, he knows how to pump it up and reach literally millions of people every day for not that much.

Robert Delavan  23:15

So, is that the direction is taking what inspires you and what you're creating and then basically, evangelizing and across the universe?

Barry Mack  23:26

Look at it that way. Yeah, I mean, we all want to do that really. We want to get it out to as many people as possible, we want to feel like we're making a difference. Why get up?

Robert Delavan  23:37

Right.

Adrian Schermer  23:37

I think there's that mistake, right? People make of the percentage based, you know, bearer, you got how many how many followers you got on your socially. So, it's like, 80,000, something?

Barry Mack  23:45

80,000,Meah.

Adrian Schermer  23:47

You know, 1660, that's the population of the United States was 75,000 people. So, you have literally more people than the ones population of the entire country that we live in. You know, I think there's that mistake we make where we go, there's 8 billion people. If I reach 10,000, that's nothing. No, that's 10,000 people, you know, that's still 10,000 people and that regardless of how many humans exist out there, so I think it's great that your art as has touched so many people, and I think for me, the answer this question is just breaking the paradigm and pushing the boundaries, you know, further out, I think of like comedy, you know, things that you weren't supposed to joke about change every year, and then we look back on the stuff that was like, oh, you know, Richard Pryor was so offensive. Now, it just seems like it's like daytime TV at this point, you know, and that's the cool thing that was now it opens it up for the rest of us, you know, to be a little weirder. There's things that about the way that I look, I know that you know, I probably would have gotten my butt kicked 100 years ago, trying to walk down the street or maybe people would think, yeah, he's got some piercings in his lip. He's probably a criminal. He's got tattoos, you know, and now is like everybody's got tattoos, you know?

Barry Mack  24:59

No, I totally agree. I think you're right on and you know, the opposite of that is if we change one life, that's cool, too.

Robert Delavan  25:07

Yeah. That's very cool.

Adrian Schermer  25:13

Powerful stuff. I wish we had more time, Barry. Barry Mack, Barry Mack Art. Tell us where we can find you, Barry?

Barry Mack  25:20

Yeah, you can find me at sea gallery in Bridgeport area. My website BarryMackart.com. You can email me BarryMackart@gmail, and my phone number 971-348-1890.

Adrian Schermer  25:40

Awesome. I know you're on Instagram, on Facebook. Barry, again, thank you so much for your time. I know it's valuable and you have expressed that value very well, in this period of time. So, thanks for making. Hey, thanks for making some art with us.

Barry Mack  25:57

It's been a real pleasure. Thank you so much for inviting me. Awesome.

Adrian Schermer  26:02

We're the get rich slow podcast crew. You can catch what we're doing next locally at ROI-FA.com/events. We've got learning grows sipping mingles a summer bash coming up and soon I can stop saying this, but some photos with Santa on November 12. So, check out that website. You'll see what's coming up next. Come connect with us and reach out to us. Let us know what you like about our show and what you'd like to hear next.

Robert Delavan  26:29

Yep. Thank you so much, Barry. Thanks, Adrian. I enjoyed this series. Looking forward to a follow up in the next 6 to 12. months, right?

Adrian Schermer  26:38

Absolutely.

Robert Delavan  26:39

All right. Thank you all for listening.

Adrian Schermer  26:40

I'll catch you next time folks.

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